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Fundies Say the Darndest Things (#10)


Belonging before believing and behaving…

That’s catchy!

Just don’t ask HOW someone can “Belong” to a group before they know what it Believes…

It seems to me Jesus did a lot of straight-shooting, even with people he hadn’t been bribing with coffee for months prior…

But, maybe someone who observes Modern Church Doctrines can help me with some questions I have.

(Or not.  Being unable to answer is what makes them Fundies.)



  1. Jasmine Ruigrok · September 27

    I get what you’re saying, but interestingly enough, I read this the other day, and I think there’s a difference between the two types of belonging. You don’t want to make atheists feel like they belong in church. However I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a family making their family members feel like they belong. Thoughts?


    • mrsmcmommy · September 27

      I can say with absolute certainty that the conversation from this post (with the blue-boxed commenter) was about making EVERYBODY feel like the “belong.” Specifically, it was about the Nashville Statement, and how it “pushes people away from Jesus”–because, supposedly, He always made sure they belonged before telling them what to believe.

      It seems the author of this article agrees with that order of things: belong FIRST, and then come to believe as the groups does. I still don’t understand how that works, unless she’s talking about people who’ve already accepted Christ and are looking for a new congregation…? (That wasn’t very clear to me.)

      I have LOTS of thoughts about why it’s so difficult to get connected as part of a family in individual church-buildings, but in the meantime, I guess I’m just confused whether she’s writing to believers or unbelievers.


      • Jasmine Ruigrok · September 27

        Right, I guess he didn’t clarify that very well, but I assumed he was talking to believers since the message was being given in church with the context of belonging in church. You don’t have to conform to how a church wants you to behave or what they want you to believe about church in order to belong. Scripture should already have that place in a person’s heart.

        But in the post you’re speaking of, you’re right. Christians can’t make everyone belong if they don’t first belong to Christ.


      • mrsmcmommy · September 27

        I always recommend the book “Pagan Christianity” to anyone is frustrated with church living and can’t quite put their finger on it… Just about every problem I’ve found in family life can be traced back to the horrible Institutionalized system we’ve built up, unknowingly, over the centuries. People feel like they don’t belong because only a handful of (paid) “professionals” are doing the majority of ministry, and everyone else just watches the show.

        You should check it out!


      • Jasmine Ruigrok · September 27

        Just went and bought it. A book I’ve almost read the cover off is “So You Don’t Want to Go to Church Anymore” by Wayne Jacobsen. It’s the same kind of book for people who are disillusioned with church, and it’s told in a fictional story of one guy’s frustrations with it. I’d be interested to hear what you thought of it if you ever read it.

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      • mrsmcmommy · September 27

        Same with you! Keep me posted on what you think!


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